Talk:Abilities by Job Type

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First try to update this page[edit source]

  • While this page is outdated with very ld information I will try to update it to a actual state. But I am not really sure which way the future table should look.
  • First try follows below
    • only warrior skills
    • only skills that can be fused (I think Fast Lerner skills should get an extra table)
    • mentioned cards are only summoned cards (no fodder)
  • Please lets discuss what will make sense or not:
  • Possible Changes:
    • Single tables per class and element
    • Single tables per class and Main-type (Single/Area/Cone)
    • Single table for the columns with only one or two entries
  • Here my first try:
Warrior Icon.png Warrior Abilities
Element Single Cone Area
- Sicarius BDD CRD BDD+CRD Damage focus Damage focus
Adds Reckoning.
Damage focus
Multistrike
Damage focus
Multistrike
Adds Painful Break.
with Ailment - with Boon - Sicarius BDD CRD Main Focused
Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card Ability Card
[FIRE]Fire Flame Sword Ares Meteor Strike Ifrit Sicarius Flame Hammer N/A Flame Assault Yojimbo Overcook Legendary Dragon Inferno Blade Proto-behemoth: FFXIII N/A N/A N/A N/A Flame Blast Geryon N/A Flame Burst Ifrit Eternal Flame Belias Sicarius Flame Fury Bahamut N/A Flame Cross Amazon
[WATER]Water Ice Sword Siegfried Heavenly Strike Shiva Sicarius Ice Hammer Poseidon Ice Assault N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Ice Blast Uranus Laws of Palamecia
(adds Brave to Party)
The Blank Ice Burst Syldra N/A N/A Punishing Ice Ixion Ice Cross Bismarck
[WIND]Wind Wind Sword Mephistopheles Bolverk Odin Sicarius Wind Hammer Gungnir Wind Assault N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Thunderfall Lightning: FFXIII N/A Wind Blast Durandal N/A Wind Burst Zephyr N/A N/A Punishing Wind Odin Wind Cross Fenghuang
[EARTH]Earth Earth Sword Onion Knight Roxxor Hashmal Sicarius Earth Hammer N/A Earth Assault Athena N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Earth Blast Raiden N/A Earth Burst Jormungand Earth's Fury Hecatoncheir Sicarius Earth Fury Titan N/A Earth Cross Iron Giant
[LIGHT]Light Light Sword Odin: FFVII Divine Punishment Ultima Sicarius Light Hammer N/A Light Assault N/A N/A Forbidden Laser Fal'Cie Anima: FFXIII Avenging Light Sphinx N/A N/A No Quick Answers
Adds Slow and Debilitate
The First Warrior Light Blast Leviathan: FFVII N/A Light Burst Ramuh: FFVII N/A Light Fury Bahamut ZERO: FFVII N/A Shining Cross Ysbaddaden
[DARK]Dark Dark Sword Orlando Dark Sphere Anima Sicarius Dark Hammer N/A Dark Assault N/A N/A N/A N/A Cold Blood Centaur N/A N/A Dark Blast Selkis N/A Dark Burst Solomon Dark Inferno Bahamut Sicarius N/A Punishing Dark Amon Dark Cross Chaos: FFI
Details
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1220180★ (5%)0
2242198★ (5%)0
3264216★ (5%)0
4286234★ (5%)0
5308252★ (5%)0
6374306★ (5%)0
7440360★ (5%)0
8506414★ (5%)0
9572468★ (5%)0
10660540★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1333150★ (5%)0
2366165★ (5%)0
3400180★ (5%)0
4433195★ (5%)0
5466210★ (5%)0
6566255★ (5%)0
7666300★ (5%)0
8766345★ (5%)0
9866390★ (5%)0
10999450★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1150250★ (5%)0
2165275★ (5%)0
3180300★ (5%)0
4195325★ (5%)0
5210350★ (5%)0
6255425★ (5%)0
7300500★ (5%)0
8345575★ (5%)0
9390650★ (5%)0
10450750★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1150250★ (5%)0
2165275★ (5%)0
3180300★ (5%)0
4195325★ (5%)0
5210350★ (5%)0
6255425★ (5%)0
7300500★ (5%)0
8345575★ (5%)0
9390650★ (5%)0
10450750★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1200250★ (5%)0
2220275★ (5%)0
3240300★ (5%)0
4260325★ (5%)0
5280350★ (5%)0
6340425★ (5%)0
7400500★ (5%)0
8460575★ (5%)0
9520650★ (5%)0
10600750★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
14101★★★ (15%)0
24511★★★ (15%)0
34921★★★ (15%)0
45331★★★ (15%)0
55741★★★ (15%)0
66972★★★ (15%)0
78202★★★ (15%)0
89432★★★ (15%)0
910663★★★ (15%)0
1012303★★★ (15%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
135050★★★ (15%)0
238555★★★ (15%)0
342060★★★ (15%)0
445565★★★ (15%)0
549070★★★ (15%)0
659585★★★ (15%)0
7700100★★★ (15%)0
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9910130★★★ (15%)0
101050150★★★ (15%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
14101★★★ (15%)0
24511★★★ (15%)0
34921★★★ (15%)0
45331★★★ (15%)0
55741★★★ (15%)0
66972★★★ (15%)0
78202★★★ (15%)0
89432★★★ (15%)0
910663★★★ (15%)0
1012303★★★ (15%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
130010★ (5%)0
233011★ (5%)0
336012★ (5%)0
439013★ (5%)0
542014★ (5%)0
651017★ (5%)0
760020★ (5%)0
869023★ (5%)0
978026★ (5%)0
1090030★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1250200★ (5%)0
2275220★ (5%)0
3300240★ (5%)0
4325260★ (5%)0
5350280★ (5%)0
6425340★ (5%)0
7500400★ (5%)0
8575460★ (5%)0
9650520★ (5%)0
10750600★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1180120★ (5%)0
2198132★ (5%)0
3216144★ (5%)0
4234156★ (5%)0
5252168★ (5%)0
6306204★ (5%)0
7360240★ (5%)0
8414276★ (5%)0
9468312★ (5%)0
10540360★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1300180★ (5%)8
2330198★ (5%)7
3360216★ (5%)6
4390234★ (5%)5
5420252★ (5%)4
6510306★ (5%)3
7600360★ (5%)2
8690414★ (5%)2
9780468★ (5%)1
10900540★ (5%)1
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1240120★ (5%)0
2264132★ (5%)0
3288144★ (5%)0
4312156★ (5%)0
5336168★ (5%)0
6408204★ (5%)0
7480240★ (5%)0
8552276★ (5%)0
9624312★ (5%)0
10720360★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
137037★ (5%)0
240741★ (5%)0
344444★ (5%)0
448148★ (5%)0
551852★ (5%)0
662963★ (5%)0
774074★ (5%)0
885185★ (5%)0
996296★ (5%)0
101110111★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1180300★ (5%)0
2198330★ (5%)0
3216360★ (5%)0
4234390★ (5%)0
5252420★ (5%)0
6306510★ (5%)0
7360600★ (5%)0
8414690★ (5%)0
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10540900★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1180300★ (5%)0
2198330★ (5%)0
3216360★ (5%)0
4234390★ (5%)0
5252420★ (5%)0
6306510★ (5%)0
7360600★ (5%)0
8414690★ (5%)0
9468780★ (5%)0
10540900★ (5%)0
ALv.AttackBreak PowerCrit ChanceCooldown
1440220★ (5%)0
2484242★ (5%)0
3528264★ (5%)0
4572286★ (5%)0
5616308★ (5%)0
6748374★ (5%)0
7880440★ (5%)0
81012506★ (5%)0
91144572★ (5%)0
101320660★ (5%)0
While I commend your efforts, if we cram more information, it starts looking like the table of ability cards with the job-type sorted by default. I think keeping it simple with the ability (and not the cards) is the way to go.

Something like:

== Warrior ==
* Flame Sword
* Flameblast
* Here Comes the Hurt.
Good point. I really find the table to big too, and its only one of five. Only tried to adapt the given page in an other style. Just started and wondered how fast it grows. One point to your option, what is the difference to Category:Warrior Abilities then, except its a conclusion of all five categories? At least this whole page will become a superflous duplicate of these categories. Btw is it possible to make views on different categories on one page? Then this page will get really easy with all five Job-categories among themselves.
Something like (but with the category listing, not only the links):
* Category:Warrior Abilities
* Category:Mage Abilities
* Category:Ranger Abilities
* Category:Monk Abilities
* Category:Support Abilities
--Lydhia (talk) 17:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking something like the following, adding info that isn't in the table of cards.
Ability name Info
[FIRE]Blasting Zone Warrior ability - Area fire attack.
[WIND]Bolverk Warrior ability - Single-target wind attack.
[WATER]Ice Blast Warrior ability - Cone water attack.
[EARTH]Cross-Slash Warrior ability - Single-target earth attack (damage focus, multistrike).
[LIGHT]Warp Strike Warrior ability - Single-target light attack (multistrike). Adds Painful Break and draws 1 light orb.
[DARK]Royal Arms Warrior supreme ability - Single-target dark attack (damage focus, multistrike overkill). Adds Armiger (drains HP to increase damage).
Could make the info more concise too (I just grabbed the whole description text). The max stats at max rarity could also be incorporated for comparison purposes. --BryghtShadow (talk) 07:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
looks really good. And it should easily be tranformable for the other table Abilities by Element (Only change the element orb to job icon). I think with some extra input to the questions below I can start to realize this. Open points:
  • All abilities or all without "Lesser" ?
  • The point with max damage/break --> adding this will cause three extra columns (max lvl (should be important than because some abilities only goes to lvl 8 (4+ cards)) - max attack - max break). Too much information than again?
--Lydhia (talk) 09:35, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Now with max stats!
Ability name Type Effects Max ALv Attack Break Crit Cooldown
[FIRE]Blasting Zone Area - 8 550 50 0
[WIND]Bolverk Single-target - 10 999 450 0
[WATER]Ice Blast Cone - 10 540 360 0
[EARTH]Cross-Slash Single-target, damage focus, multistrike - 10 1140 12 ★★★ 0
[LIGHT]Warp Strike Single-target, multistrike. Painful Break; draw 1 light orb. 8 805 805 ☆☆ 0
[DARK]Royal Arms Single-target, damage focus, multistrike overkill. Armiger (drains HP to increase damage). 10 2250 3 0
I think that the table would work better when grouped by type (e.g. "ST", "Cone", "Area", "Area+BDD", "ST+CRD", "ST+DF", etc).
Lesser abilities have their own set of base numbers, so maybe they could be included. But that would make the table larger, and contest the showing of ability stats at max rarity only. Perhaps then, it would be better to just go back to simpler.
"Damage focus" tag is probably redundant when displaying the attack+break columns, but idk. --BryghtShadow (talk) 13:19, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • To answer an earlier question "Btw is it possible to make views on different categories on one page?" Not without use of certain extensions (e.g. DPL, SMW, Cargo), or category pages (which can only list the pages). The currently installed "mw:Extension:CategoryTree" can be used to list all the pages in a category, but we have less control over the resulting list: {{#categorytree:Warrior Abilities|hideroot=true|namespaces=-}}. --BryghtShadow (talk) 13:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)